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Message par Iurius le Jeu 24 Oct 2019 - 5:22

Hi to everyone!
I see that there are people here who have solved 'Meurtres sur l'Atlantique' Smile

However, I am currently trying to solve the first game in the series - Meurtre à Grande Vitesse. It is much simpler and shorter, but there are several hard puzzles as well.
I am quite close, but I need some help, please Smile

There are only 8 persons to interrogate (one person at a time up to four testimonies from each one). And then there are the three riddles - opening the locked suitcase, decoding a message (in the same way as 'Geheim!' in 'Meurtres sur l'Atlantique', but with the decoding program already working) and finally finding numbers to call at 'Minitel'.

Actually, I have this game in its Thomson version, but Oric version is the only one that had an additional clue! This one: https://www.oric.org/ftp//games/software/m/meurtre_grande_vitesse/mgv_indice10.gif
I have figured the portion about 'putting K between P and 7TG', but what does the lower part says? It is difficult to read the French handwriting...

In fact, the coded message seems to have some more errors, they are denoted only in the EXL100 manual.
Actually, I have decoded this message, but a few symbols are still wrong. For example, what does § stand for? There is no such key on Thomson/Amstrad/Oric keyboard? Is it '!' ? And what are the two symbols that look like '_' in the second sentence?

And then the 'Minitel' is the only puzzle I can't solve yet... There were some hints as to phone numbers and codes in Amstrad magazine in November 1987 ("le 12, le 16/361339155 (code  Pharma ou  interpol), le 16/85934075) - I have no idea how to get those numbers from the clues. The third one is probably Bertrand Brocard's home number, but '12' that has to list all the numbers available does not work for me.
And the biggest problem is that I can't find a 'Nom/Code INSEE' to connect to the Interpol. What could that be??? What does 'INSEE' mean in French?

There is also one note I can't figure the meaning of (https://www.oric.org/ftp//games/software/m/meurtre_grande_vitesse/mgv_indice11.jpg), and one more note that is absent in Oric version but present in other versions (attached). Both of them are not indicated by 'xxx' in the game, and the mentioned numbers and codes in fact do not work in the game's Minitel...

Thanks for any help!
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Message par Dom50 le Jeu 24 Oct 2019 - 8:26

Hi Iurius,
Welcome to this forum Smile

I'v never played this game but at least, I can help with the clue n°11 .
The sntence is in french is : Le moteur du TGV pèse lourd dans la solution
and the English translation is: The TGV engine weighs heavily in the solution

As usual with Bertrand Brocard games... rather sibylline clue...

I can also help with the meaning of INSEE. It is a french nationnal intitute, and more precisely :
Institut Nationnal de la Statistique et des Etudes Economiques
In English : National Institute of Statistics and Economic Studies

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Message par Iurius le Jeu 24 Oct 2019 - 8:31

Thanks, Dom50!

Yes, I have translated that 'TGV engine' message, but I can't understand its meaning. There is no indication in the game as to what does it refer to.

Thanks for that Institut Nationnal de la Statistique et des Etudes Economiques clue as well! But how does it relate to the game? When I call 'Interpol' on Minitel, I have to enter my name (Nom) and Code INSEE (must be some password?), and I do not see any mention of such things neither in the game nor in the physical clues...

And can you please tell what is written in clue 10? Between "P et 7TG" and "Bonne Chance"?
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Message par Dom50 le Jeu 24 Oct 2019 - 8:41

sorry for the poor help Smile
The answer to your last question is : " dans tes instructions


Dernière édition par Dom50 le Jeu 24 Oct 2019 - 8:47, édité 2 fois

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Message par Iurius le Jeu 24 Oct 2019 - 8:44

Thanks again!

I have found a clue about that INSEE in Wikipedia: "Each French person receives at birth a national identification number, the "numéro d'inscription au répertoire" (NIR or National Repertory registration), also called a "numéro de sécurité sociale" (or Social Security number). This INSEE number is composed of 13 digits + a two-digit key".
Wow, I did not know that Smile
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Message par Iurius le Jeu 24 Oct 2019 - 8:51

Yes, now with that INSEE code I can access the Interpol database Smile
Thanks!!!
Still, there is some problem in finding how to complete the investigation, as there are no any 'tests' like in later 'Meurtres' games.
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Message par Iurius le Jeu 24 Oct 2019 - 15:55

OK, I have found a kind of end-game test for 'Meurtre à Grande Vitesse' - it turns out that there was a councours about it (not unlike the one you held about MOTA) announced by 'Théoric' magazine in March and then April 1985!

There were seven questions to be answered, the meaning of 'Le moteur du TGV pèse lourd dans la solution' among them.

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The rules promised to reveal the answers (and the winners) on the pages of the June 1985 issue of 'Théoric' - but I see no traces of it neither in June, nor in July, August etc., up to December... Maybe somebody of Oric enthusiasts remember that concours? Could it be that they did not announce the answers because nobody has won?..
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Message par Iurius le Mer 30 Oct 2019 - 8:11

OK - I have played four different versions of this game, probably towards the end (Thomson, Amstrad CPC, Commodore 64 and Exelvision100). The puzzles and the texts are somewhat different - but the Oric version seems to be the first (thus it is some kind of 'official' standard).

Unfortunately I can't run it - I get this screen after loading:

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What could that mean?
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Message par Moonchild le Mer 30 Oct 2019 - 15:30

Hello, this is very similar to a copy protection system that says: "Suspense.... Don't tell to your friends the last 47000 bytes of this software", which is the full size of the game I suppose since the oric has 48K of memory.
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Message par Iurius le Mer 30 Oct 2019 - 17:12

Moonchild, thanks for the reply!
And what does the last red sentence mean?
I use the mgv.wav from the game's page with Euphoric: I have tried playing the tape again, rewinding it etc., but nothing worked...
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Message par Moonchild le Mer 30 Oct 2019 - 17:45

The red sentence mean : "turn on the tape recorder again"
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Message par Symoon le Mer 30 Oct 2019 - 23:12

Yes but the "Loading .." seems to indicate that, for a reason or another, the loading hasn't finished.
I gave it a try myself and had no problem with Euphoric (using build 1020 - see that info from the menu screen, F1 key).
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Message par Iurius le Jeu 31 Oct 2019 - 9:25

Ah, thanks! It turns out that I was using the 1019 build, and the tape usage is broken there.

With 1020 everything is fine! And the Oric version is indeed the most complete (although it is not the best-looking, you know).
It does have several features not present in any other version:

1. The additional code clue (the one about K between P and 7TG). I have no idea how it was not included with other version, as this information is critical for decoding the message.
2. The copy protection (Controle des Billets)! The table of it was present on the cover of every other version, but it was not used there.
3. Sound effects and music! Only some of the effects could be heard in Thomson et al., but definitely not the music.
4. At the beginning you can choose the starting wagon, while in other versions you always start in Wagon 4 (only in C64 you start in Wagon 3 for some reason).
5. The wagon's layout is also a little bit different: there are two "armoire" in the 1st class, doors to the salon etc. Only traces of it could be seen in C64 version, while others just have an extra WC in place of armoires.
6. The texts and the testimonies are the most complete! For example, the M-lle Voss item 'une page d'agenda' is denoted with 'xxx' in Oric only - somehow everybody forgot to mark it in other versions (and it is a clue).
7. There is an extra puzzle for opening the automatic doors between the wagons!
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I have not solved it yet - it seems that the doors are being blocked on some random choice, and you can indeed investigate all the wagons before they are blocked.

Still, it is a very strange game indeed - it would be very nice to find some person who have solved it Smile
Unfortunately, Bertrand Brocard does not answer me about that concours (although he used to write to me before).

Here is some information about the solution I have come to!

Spoiler:

In 'Meurtre à Grande Vitesse' you do three things:

A) Talk to the suspects to get their testimonies - there are 8 persons with 4 testimonies from each one. The limitation is that you can ask only one testimony at a time (i.e. you can't interrogate the same suspect twice before talking to somebody else), and some secrets are revealed only after certain actions - but still it is very easy to get all 32 testaments quite quickly.

B) You search for objects in 8 wagons - 13 of them (theoretically - the number is smaller in fact) are the physical clues included with the game that should be examined in their material form. Of course, the game has no way to check if you have done it - besides enabling some more dialogues after opening/examining some suitcases etc.

C) Solving the riddles. The most difficult part, and it seems that there is no way for the game to check whether you have solved most of them - other than answering those 7 questions of the extra concours.
There are three main puzzles - the 4th one, with unlocking the wagon doors, is present only in Oric (and it could well be optional).

1. The locked suitcase (malette). It is strange, but the sound effects suggest that the code is 1720 - and it is indeed the code in C64 and EXL100 verison. While in Oric, Amstrad and Thomson the code is 6275! I have no idea how to discover it besides just trying everything - and it is one of the questions of the concours. Maybe the 'TGV pese lourd' clue is for this one??? You can get 6275 out of 1720 by adding or subtracting 5 from each number - but why 5?

2. The telephone/Minitel. Maybe not exactly a puzzle, as you can get all the numbers by dialing 12 and waiting for a loooong time for them to show (then again, how to guess it is 12? Maybe it is some French telephone listing code?) - and probably every French player knows what is 'INSEE code' - but for me it was the hardest puzzle before I have discovered what INSEE is with the help from Dom50 Smile The Interpol database suggests who is the main suspect though...

3. The Crypto coded message - it is not very difficult once you have discovered the key word, but there are so many errors in the text! Some of them are indicated by 'K between P and 7TG' exclusive Oric clue, and some by notes in EXL100 manual - but I think there are others I have not yet discovered. For example, I did not find a way to enter such characters in Euphoric, as '§', 'ç' and even '\'. Were they available on the original French Oric/Atmos keyboard?
Well, the message I get is - a superspoiler! - 'Discret.Absolue liquide.PerignacoutilspecialauMiami Recupere dossiersacocherougebr*vauFlorida'. That does make some sense, but still not very clear (and the 'br*v' word is certainly wrong)...


I do hope though that the final solution to this game will be discovered after all Smile
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Message par froggy le Jeu 31 Oct 2019 - 10:21

Hey Iurius,

About the minitel 12 stuff "The telephone/Minitel. Maybe not exactly a puzzle, as you can get all the numbers by dialing 12 and waiting for a loooong time for them to show (then again, how to guess it is 12? Maybe it is some French telephone listing code?)".
There is no logical reason here for "12" to me. Therefor, in the 80s' the french telephone directory by operator could be accessed dialing ... 12. When the Minitel appeared, an electronic directory was reachable on this terminal dialing 11 (further on it bacame 3611).
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Message par Iurius le Jeu 31 Oct 2019 - 10:29

froggy a écrit:in the 80s' the french telephone directory by operator could be accessed dialing ... 12
Ah, then it is the logical reason after all, thanks! Smile
Probably Bertrand decided not to use separate Minitel directory listing number as 12 displays available numbers both for telephone and for Teletel (including access codes). In Oric you can not only call Bertrand Brocard home telephone number, but also call Cobra Soft via Minitel (it was cut in other versions).
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